transcript 04/19/2011

@leapetra in one hour. Phoenix and other firebirds. #mythbeasts 5:28 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@leapetra A little research for my troll story before #mythbeasts 5:37 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra 30 mins until we talk about the Phoenix #mythbeasts 6:02 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra 9 mins until chat. if I can stop smashing eggs. Not the Firebird's I wouldn't do that #mythbeasts 6:21 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles RT @leapetra: 30 mins until we talk about the Phoenix #mythbeasts> i.e. 4:30 MST 6:21 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@giggilles @leapetra How long does #mythbeasts run? 6:27 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles 1 hour Unless it really takes off, then we can go a little over #mythbeasts 6:28 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra Cool. I'm totally multitasking and #editing while we chat. Cause I'm like that. ;) #mythbeasts 6:29 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@leapetra @giggilles Me too. #mythbeasts 6:30 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra This time of year resurrection is a topic. The Phoenix is one of the best examples #mythbeasts 6:31 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra See how writers are! The nerve. #mythbeasts 6:31 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra When does a bird stop being just a bird and become something else??? #mythbeasts 6:33 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra Along with the phoenix you also have the Firebird, but there are so many mythic birds #mythbeasts 6:33 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles The Egyptians had the Ibis, which they mummified by the millions and equated with a symbol of rebirth. All tombs had them. #mythbeasts 6:34 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles Birds and rebirth, what would be the connection #mythbeasts 6:35 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra The only thing I can think of is, the egg. Something about the egg. #mythbeasts 6:37 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles Well the Ibis and Phoenix were also keepers of knowledge, if I remember correctly. Even through death. #mythbeasts 6:37 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer The pelican, feeding its young from it's heart's blood, was a common medieval and renaissance (alchemical) symbol for Christ #mythbeasts 6:38 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles Look at eggs and fertility, esp in the Spring. Symbols of rebirth abound. #mythbeasts 6:38 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @leapetra The product of a misspent young. And adolescence. And adulthood. #mythbeasts 6:39 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles i raised rabbits, I wouldn't want THEIR eggs. LOL #mythbeasts 6:39 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @Demon_Writer I didn't know that about the pelican #mythbeasts 6:39 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles Even bunnies have eggs, hahah. Hmm, chocolate eggs. But I digress. #mythbeasts 6:39 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@Demon_Writer In Jewish tradition there is the sand bird, rather than the phoenix. More or less the same deal as I understand it. #mythbeasts 6:41 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra Why never landing? #mythbeasts 6:41 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @Demon_Writer Aw, we appreciate your PhD efforts. At least the results. ;) Pelican is new to me too. #mythbeasts 6:41 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@leapetra While researching this chat. I came across other birds. Like the Huma bird that never landed. poor thing #mythbeasts 6:41 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @Demon_Writer It's interesting that most cultures have some version of a Phoenix. Many trace back to the Ibis. #mythbeasts 6:42 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles no legs, but it brought luck. The bird of good fortune. #mythbeasts 6:42 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @giggilles Djehuti is my man. Er, Ibis-headed god. Whatever. #mythbeasts 6:43 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@mruriah @leapetra wasn't very fortunate for the bird #mythbeasts 6:43 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @Demon_Writer And I'm sure something forgotten before the Ibis too. Perhaps Mayan? Many feathered things there. #mythbeasts 6:43 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer The albatross is an old symbol of misfortune in sailing lore (and shows up in some David Eddings novels). #mythbeasts 6:43 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra Other birds of note. The Roc and the Thunderbird #mythbeasts 6:44 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @giggilles There is Quetzalcoatl, but that was a god, but also somewhat Christ-like. #mythbeasts 6:44 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @giggilles Totally different time periods, though. The Egyptians were a much older culture than anything in the New World. #mythbeasts 6:45 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@dwood29d RT @Demon_Writer: The albatross is an old symbol of misfortune in sailing lore (and shows up in some David Eddings novels). #mythbeasts 6:45 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@dwood29d RT @Demon_Writer: In Jewish tradition there is the sand bird, rather than the phoenix. More or less the same deal as I understand it. #mythbeasts 6:45 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@dwood29d RT @Demon_Writer: The pelican, feeding its young from it's heart's blood, was a common medieval and renaissance (alchemical) symbol for Christ #mythbeasts 6:45 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @mruriah Totally different time periods, though. The Egyptians were a much older culture than anything in the New World. #mythbeasts 6:45 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra Most of the rebirth birds dove into fire, some drowned to kill themselves. #mythbeasts 6:47 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @Demon_Writer There is some argument of trade between Egypt and South America in the Archeological record. Not for here... ;) #mythbeasts 6:48 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles I have heard that too. #mythbeasts 6:49 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra You okay? #mythbeasts 6:51 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra sorry a bit distracted, we had a loud noise outside, sounded like a gun shot. So bare with me #mythbeasts 6:51 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@giggilles @leapetra Yeah, mummies were wrapped partly in plants only found in South America. How does that happen without trade? #mythbeasts 6:51 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @giggilles @leapetra But by that reasoning no tradition could start by itself. Correlation does not equate to causality :) #mythbeasts 6:52 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles We're fine, we are wondering if it really was, and if the cops are coming #mythbeasts 6:52 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @leapetra That was the mating call of a dodo bird. It's also why they are extinct. Who wants to mate with that noise? #mythbeasts 6:53 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra Avalerion is similar to the phoenix. except it lays two eggs then drowns itself. Also has no beak #mythbeasts 6:54 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @Demon_Writer @leapetra Oh the Egyptians we already doing their thing, just picked up small culture/plant elements from trade. #mythbeasts 6:54 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra What else does Avalerion do? What powers? #mythbeasts 6:55 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @Demon_Writer I think the hastag will be too long :D #mythbeasts 6:56 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @Demon_Writer @leapetra At least that's the theory. For now. Until new things are found, like next month. :P #mythbeasts 6:56 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Miniatt Didn't neolithic Indians of the new world form the traditional basis for legendary beings such as the thunder bird? #mythbeasts 6:56 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@Demon_Writer @giggilles @leapetra Not my point, but also not the time or place :) Is there a #cultualanthropologychat? #mythbeasts 6:56 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @Miniatt (waves) There were many Native American birds like that, Rainbow Crow too #mythbeasts 6:57 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles No powers except to survive for 60 years with out a beak #mythbeasts 6:57 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra But some people still claim to see the Thunderbird. Not the car.... #mythbeasts 6:59 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@HollyIMerriday @leapetra @giggilles I always feel like I forgot to do my homework @ #mythbeasts time! :( 7:00 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@mruriah @HollyIMerriday glad I'm not the only one. Although I had no idea the Phoenix, thunderbird, and firebird were separate. #mythbeasts 7:01 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Miniatt Remember to sight those sources children. #mythbeasts 7:01 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @HollyIMerriday @Demon_Writer is giving us an education tonight! #mythbeasts 7:01 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @Miniatt You are lucky I am married to you! Back to the chat... #mythbeasts 7:02 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @mruriah The Firebird is from Russia. The bird was made of fire. I don't think the phoenix was #mythbeasts 7:03 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Miniatt A. B. F. Always be footnoting. #mythbeasts 7:03 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@mruriah @leapetra I was always taught they were the same, just represented differently in different cultures. +1 for public school #mythbeasts 7:04 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@HollyIMerriday @leapetra @demon_writer Yeah! Just catching up! Fascinating! :) #mythbeasts 7:04 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @mruriah I think that's because they are similar concepts. Bird + rebirth. Public school simplifies. #mythbeasts 7:05 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra The stories of the firebird deal with it eating a tsars apples. He sends his sons to kill it. And they only get a feather. #mythbeasts 7:06 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra The feather could illuminate a room. #mythbeasts 7:08 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@last_lines Just seen this chat. Mmmh might stay awhile. #mythbeasts 7:12 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @last_lines its slowing down right now, we have phoenix in hand, or two in the bush? #mythbeasts 7:13 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Miniatt What are all the properties of phoenix bi-products? #mythbeasts 7:14 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra What about modern phoenixes like Dumbledore's pet? #mythbeasts 7:14 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@last_lines I am usually at EDJ at this time of day but am fevered in bed with flu. Is this chat a regular chat? @leapetra #mythbeasts 7:15 PM Apr 19th, 2011


@Demon_Writer @leapetra With the exception of the auto-immolation rather than making a fire, Fawkes seems more or less normal. For a phoenix. #mythbeasts 7:15 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @last_lines yes it is #mythbeasts 7:16 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Miniatt Feathers, tears, blood that sort of thing. #mythbeasts 7:16 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @Miniatt some confuse The firebird's feathers with the phoenix's. I think the healing tears are new #mythbeasts 7:17 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra I remember healing tears from a Phoenix story I read as a teen. Can't be that new. #mythbeasts 7:18 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer I believe there is a firebird story in @neilhimself 's Fragile Things. #mythbeasts 7:18 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @leapetra Forgot about the tears. Haven't read the books in a while. #mythbeasts 7:19 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @Demon_Writer Harry Potter was the last one I read that in #mythbeasts 7:20 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@last_lines @leapetra Too bad it happens to be in a time when I am usually not at the computer. Is there a transcript for these chats? #mythbeasts 7:21 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Demon_Writer @Miniatt As did Vauldamort's. #mythbeasts 7:22 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @last_lines I have been putting them up at http://mythbeastschat.blogspot.com/ #mythbeasts 7:22 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@Miniatt Harry's wand had a feater from fawks in it. #mythbeasts 7:22 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@last_lines @leapetra Oh fantastic. Will check it out then. Thanks for the heads up. #mythbeasts 7:24 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra I have read a theory about the phoenix. That explorers saw the flamingo in the desert and thought it was on fire, Plausible? #mythbeasts 7:25 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra It's possible. The color is very unique and unlike other birds. But flamingos aren't still revered. Point against? #mythbeasts 7:27 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@mruriah @giggilles neither are mermaids/manatees. Point taken away? #mythbeasts 7:28 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra @giggilles the Egyptians were the last to revere them. #mythbeasts 7:29 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@jflamingo2 RT @leapetra: I have read a theory about the phoenix. That explorers saw the flamingo in the desert and thought it was on fire, Plausible? #mythbeasts 7:30 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra Ahh I didn't know the Egyptians did. By 'still' I meant were they found then worshiped for a time. Sounds like yes. #mythbeasts 7:32 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra Time is up. Next week is one of my favs. TROLLS and dwarfs, and other human like creatures of the Earth. #mythbeasts 7:32 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@leapetra I will see you all next week. I try to have the transcript up on Sunday. #mythbeasts 7:35 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @mruriah I don't think mermaids were ever worshiped like the Ibis or Flamingos by the Egyptians, but no I didn't mean recently. #mythbeasts 7:36 PM Apr 19th, 2011

@giggilles @leapetra Thanks for hosting! #mythbeasts 7:36 PM Apr 19th, 2011